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Hi Andy, thanks so much for engaging with Empire of AI and taking the time to write up your thoughts. Most of your critiques here are based in philosophical differences with me, and I lay out my philosophical stance transparently in the book, so I won't repeat them here.

But I did want to come back to you on the numbers for Cerrillos. The figures I mention for Cerrillos' water consumption, 5,097,946 liters in 2019, comes not from a publicly available study but a freedom of information request that was filed to SMAPA (Servicio Municipal de Agua Potable y Alcantarillado), the agency which oversees these figures. I'm not sure how to attach a document to a Substack comment, so I'll send you the original document with their response in an email.

Here is the text from the document (originally in Spanish, translated to English):

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Response:

To whom it may concern, please note the following:

1. First, I request information on the total liters of water consumed in residential use within the territory of two municipalities: Cerrillos and Maipú (both belonging to the Metropolitan Region), during the years 2018 and 2019, respectively; as recorded by the Municipal Water and Sewerage Service (SMAPA) of the Maipú municipality. ((Karen's note: this is just a copy and paste of the original request))

A: The following table shows the amounts for residential customers:

CERRILLOS: 2018: 4,911,432.46 | 2019: 5,097,946.72

MAIPU: 2018: 33,079,905.63 | 2019: 35,322,547.1

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To your point, these numbers initially seemed strange to me. So I asked my collaborator, a Chilean journalist, to follow up with SMAPA and ask whether they had gotten their units wrong and given the numbers in cubic meters instead of liters. Unfortunately, they never got back to us. So instead we spoke with various Chilean journalists and organizations who had followed this story over the previous years, who corroborated these numbers. Based on the document as well as the other corroborations, we proceeded with the number as written.

Given your questions about this number again, I have asked my collaborator to once again follow up with SMAPA. And if they continue to not respond via email, she is going to go in person to their offices to get to the bottom of this. I will keep you posted on the outcome.

Thanks again for the raising these questions.

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Karen Hao isn't just any a criticial journalist who made some sloppy mistakes. Her main bit is that AI is literally (in the most literal sense of "literally") modern colonialism and built on extracting labor and resources from the global South and/or everyone.

To support that thesis, she needs to argue:

- That AI has no benefits at all and is entirely a moneymaking / propaganda / surveillance tool for tech elites.

- That looking and learning "without consent" constitutes a claim on someone's data or work as much as a colonial claim on a territory.

- That cognitive labor (labeling, mostly) to train AI in low-income countries is somehow uniquely exploitative in ways other local labor is not.

- That AI is permanently removing resources from some global resource pool.

Based on what I've unfortunately read of her work in the past, I'm not sure she's actually writing in bad faith here - she's just _ludicrously_ credulous of any claim that's detrimental of AI and _ludicrously_ skeptical of any claim made by an AI company or AI expert.

There are plenty of people in academia with "AI" in their role whose main credential in the field is "hates AI".

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